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Feb 26, 2008 12:53 PM
Hi Everyone,

I'm Scot Wingo CEO of ChannelAdvisor. We're the leading provider of software for helping eBay sellers scale their businesses. We have a couple of products:

MarketplaceAdvisor - primarily targeted to sellers focused on eBay and their own website.

MarketplaceAdvisor Premium - targeted at the multi-channel seller looking to do more with all marketplaces, comparison shopping engines and paid-search.

Today we're talking about some best practices surrounding DSRs (Detailed Seller Ratings) and I'm fortunate to have a great group of folks here helping me answer questions. They are all logged in as 'channeladvisor' and will designate their answers with their initials.

We also developed an AWESOME FREE utility called DSRWatch.com to help sellers monitor and get alerted when their DSRs change. I also maintain a blog at ebaystrategies.blogs.com that keeps track of the changes going on at eBay.

Now here are some of our best practices for increasing your DSRS.

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Member Workshop: How to Improve your Detailed Seller Ratings - Feb 26

Feb 26, 2008 12:56 PM
Top strategies for boosting your DSRs

1. Specify reasonable flat-rate shipping

The first best practice we recommend is that as an eBay seller you offer different tiers of flat-rate shipping that appeal to both the cost-conscious buyer who needs a low-cost option as well as expedited shipping for buyers that want your product fast. It's important that these tiers are easy to understand and accommodate the different buyers purchasing your products. Spell out the trade-offs between the standard, default shipping and expedited shipping with sample locations (East Coast, West Coast, Europe, etc.).

Keep in mind that the more complex your shipping rules, the more likely it will result in a confused and disappointed buyer.

Critical to minimizing buyer confusion is also that you specify shipping in the "Shipping Details" so it will show up in the search results column and at the top of the view item page. Specifying in this way leads to a significantly lower rate of low shipping cost DSR scores.




2. Highlight your shipping, return and other important policies 'above the fold'

A best practice is to provide easy access to your policies. While your policies do not need to be the first thing your buyer sees, consider making links available in the header of your listing ('Above the fold') that guide your buyers to your detailed policies. It is very important that you set clear expectations such as where you do and do not ship to, how shipping costs vary by class and destination and how products can be returned. Highlighting that you have comprehensive policies establishes you immediately as an experienced online retailer that that understands how to provide a great customer experience.

3. Call out international shipping information

eBay shared at the recent eCommerce forum that for international orders the Shipping & Handling DSR is about 0.10 below comparable US orders - though 50% of PowerSellers CBT DSRs are the same or higher than their domestic DSRs. It is very hard to set expectations for international buyers which makes it critical to set expectations for international buyers - which means that you should highlight when you ship (fulfillment latency), shipping options and how both may impact delivery times - as well as additional charges you may assess for international orders. Remind international buyers about custom procedures and fees that they will be responsible for. You may even want to highlight that you're not able to declare the product as a gift to avoid customs.

Keep in mind that getting cross border trade (CBT) right can be a big advantage for sellers.




4. Provide a clear and easy to understand return policy

While return policies are not a requirement on eBay, we recommend that you make it very easy for the buyer to find and understand them. Tell buyers when and how they can return the product, what, if any, restock fees may apply, how shipping will be handled (and who is responsible for it) and who to contact for any questions on the status of a return.

Again, keep in mind that clear return policies are another corner stone of a "trusted online retailer" that is easy to buy from with confidence.


5. Provide (and communicate) discounted combined shipping

Combined shipping discounts can drive additional sales from a buyer. However, this is another area where it is very important that you communicate to the buyer what kind of discount you offer, how it is computed (and what may not be combined), if and how this may apply to international buyers, and additional fulfillment delays that may need to be considered.

It's also important to call out how the checkout may be different from a single purchase, where and how buyers can pay for combined orders and where they will see the discount.

6. Keep it simple

While it is important to give buyers flexible options around payment, shipping and returns, too many options can overwhelm your customer. It's important to make it easy to buy and complete the sale. An example is the use of a global shipping policy when the buyer only cares about the iPod he or she has just purchased and not the synthesizer that you need to ship freight.




7. Ship to US only?

As we have mentioned earlier, selling internationally can actually lower your Shipping & Handling DSR and make it very difficult to obtain an overall 4.8 DSR rating (and associated 15% discount on your eBay FVF fees).

While you can hedge against this hit by carefully and repeatedly messaging your policies for international buyers, you could also consider creating an international ID so that the bulk of your business (sheltered with your US ID ) is eligible for the discount. Call out in your listing that if an international buyer is interested in a particular product to go to your international ID (in an eBay Store) to purchase the item.

However, also consider that with the US dollar weakening, some of eBay's largest sellers have seen an increase to their business - with up to 20% of their revenue coming from overseas. Think about whether a slight decrease in DSR score outweighs the increased demand from overseas.




8. Consider free shipping as an option

Offer standard free shipping but still offer expedited and tell buyers how much it costs. There are buyers that want fast shipping and are willing to pay for it. There is no guarantee it will yield a 4.8 or higher DSR so should only be used if it makes sense for your product and you message it clearly. Only makes sense if combined with great customer service.




9. Amp up your customer service

Along with easy links to your shipping and return policies at the top of your listing you need to highlight how the buyer can contact you to ask questions about a product, order, return or any aspect of the buying experience on eBay. Provide an email address and phone number. Tell the buyer when you are available to answer questions (with timezone) to again set clear expectations.

Just the knowledge that you're available to answer questions rather then an anonymous seller boost buyer confidence in the purchase.




10. Communicate, communicate, communicate

Above all go overboard with communication. Call out that you aim to provide the best customer experience in the hope of earning a five-star rating for the sale. Stress in your emails that if the buyer for any reason is not happy and inclined to leave five stars to contact you right away by email or phone. Even if the buyer ends up not giving you a high rating use this opportunity to improve your processes, policies and communication for future sales.

Each opportunity to talk to the buyer is a chance to not only boost your feedback but to build a stronger brand and long-time fan that will keep coming back to your listings.


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Member Workshop: How to Improve your Detailed Seller Ratings - Feb 26

Feb 26, 2008 12:59 PM
Thanks for having a workshop, hopefully you guys can answer this question. How am I supposed to raise my DSR's when ebay is telling a customer that a 3 is neither good nor bad, and telling a customer that a 4 is actually good. Most buyers are leaving a 4 because they are being told that a 4 is good!!! Then, ebay turns around and tell me that a 3 or 4 is not good at all and will decrease my visibility in best match, and possibly strip my powerseller status and put holds on my paypal funds. How can you guys tell the buyers one thing and then tell us another thing and even go so far as to base our visibility on that crooked scenario? It's like playing a game with the deck already stacked against you. If you want to make the DSR's work correctly, you have to give both parties the same info and that info must be accurate across the board so everyone understands it and it's not unbalanced. The way you have the DSR's set up, is beyond frustrating, deceptive and unfair to sellers.

For example....take the "communication" star. If a customer never asked me a question, I would think they would leave a 3 because they were neither thrilled or horrified....it simply didn't apply to them...so the natural reaction would be to leave a 3 because ebay calls a 3 star neither good nor bad...like it doesn't count for you or against you. But, in the tally, a 3 sure counts against you big time!!!!
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Member Workshop: How to Improve your Detailed Seller Ratings - Feb 26

Feb 26, 2008 1:00 PM
2) Ebay coders, auctions that have free shipping
MUST auto-score as a 5 in the DSR report. I
ship overseas and most of my auctions have free
shipping yet I have a 4.6 Cost of Shipping DSR.
Buyers simply do not scoring this accurately.
Auto-scoring the DSR where shipping is free, will
solve a number of problems in this area.

3) Paypal coders. PLEASE allow us to mail
International Items via USPS First Class International.
Currently you only allow Global Priority and
Express, but you allow First Class Domestic. This
will solve problems at the Paypal side regarding
buyer disputes and chargebacks. From my
perspective this is a #1 priority item.

4) Any news yet regarding when Powersellers can
expect to see all addresses, domestic and overseas,
confirmed, as per Bill Cobb's Ebay Live speech?
This has not been implemented yet and the changes to
the User Agreement for March seem to go in the
opposite direction.
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Member Workshop: How to Improve your Detailed Seller Ratings - Feb 26

Feb 26, 2008 1:00 PM
QUESTION: First, eBay tells it's members (both buyers and sellers) on it's Help pages*, that 5 stars is the highest rating and 1 is the lowest, and also tells buyers on the Feedback/DSR form - when buyers are choosing the star ratings that 5 is very good and 1 is very bad, and encourages buyers to rate sellers based on these assumptions....then eBay says to sellers, that the stars are a "relative measure of how a seller is doing compared to other sellers"**, and that our listings will be displayed in Searches based on where our stars fall according to this "relative measure", and also, that we learn that on the new layout design for the listing pages, if your DSR stars don't measure up to eBay's
relative measuring system, you will get a red warning on your listing, telling potential customers that eBay says there is something wrong with this seller, so buyers had better beware, despite the fact that DSR's can be entered wrong by mistake, or even sabotaged deliberately, or that when a buyer thought they were rating their seller as Good, according to what eBay told them the stars meant, that instead they were actually hurting the seller instead. And from what I understand, eBay doesn't see any problem with this inconsistency, right?

And we sellers are supposed to feel like valued eBay members, because?...... please fill in the blank ebay


*From eBay's HELP pages:
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"The detailed seller rating system is based on a one- to five-star scale. Five stars is the highest rating, and one star is the lowest rating. Detailed seller ratings do not impact the overall Feedback Score."


**From the recent Workshop on Tips for Improving Shipping Detailed Seller Ratings:

anar@ebay.com View Listings | Report Feb-20-08 14:49 PST 133 of 262
Reply to 6, 14, 21, 82, 102
You ask an interesting question about buyers who leave a “4” to indicate reasonable shipping. The DSR scores are helpful as a relative measure of how a seller is doing compared to other sellers in their category, and having some spread in the scores is helpful. Today 50% of sellers are averaging a 4.6 on their shipping cost or greater. Sellers with a 4.0 DSR or lower on their shipping cost represent the bottom 1% of sellers. Our original feedback system became less helpful because there was very little spread in the ratings… most sellers received between a 98% positive and 100% positive.






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Member Workshop: How to Improve your Detailed Seller Ratings - Feb 26

Feb 26, 2008 1:01 PM
Shipping time star:

Buyers want inexpensive or free shipping but do NOT want to wait for their items. In addition, ebay places "carrier" estimates (Estimated delivery 2-9 days* for Media Mail) in our listings which we have no control over. In 5 years of selling, I've never had an item shipped Media Mail that arrived within 2 days, yet that's what buyer see when they look at the shipping information.

Also, despite this disclaimer being in every listing:
*Sellers are not responsible for service transit time. This information is provided by the carrier and excludes weekends and holidays. Note that transit times may vary, particularly during peak periods.

Sellers are still being rated (and disadvantaged) based on carrier delivery times. "How quickly did the seller ship the item" is being read by the buyers as "how quickly was the item delivered"
To further complicate matters, eBay employees are clearly aware of the situation. Please see the multiple posts in this workshop :Link

which clearly shows that ebay employees are confusing shipping time with delivery time or acknowledging that delivery time is what the buyers are rating.

Despite eBay's repeated attempt to convince us that free shipping is the norm for ecommerce, we are not convinced. Here's why:

Amazon's free shipping applies to items shipped from their warehouse with their ultra-low negotiated rates that ebay sellers are not allowed access to.

Amazon's free shipping also has delayed processing AND slower method of shipment.

"Please note that your order may take an additional 3 to 5 business days to ship out from our fulfillment center(s). Transit time for Super Saver Shipping orders is 5 to 9 business days after shipping. "

Amazon has a minimum $ amount before items are eligible for free shipping.That is the norm, not what ebay proposes.

As for the "compare shipping prices to other sites," that's unfair for a multitude of reasons. A big one is that the majority of sites do not ship internationally. Those that do ship UPS and subject their customers to high prices and even higher brokerage fees.
Many larger sites have negotiated bulk mailing rates that are impossible to compete with. Of the sites that offer free shipping, 99% of them ship via ground. As we are now being graded on how fast the item is delivered instead of how fast we process the item for shipment, offering free shipping may raise their shipping cost dsr and lower their shipping time DSR. It's a no win situation.




The biggest thing ebay can do to improve MY shipping time and cost DSRs is to have Paypal shipping support First Class international shipments, remove all carrier estimates from my listings, and change the wording on the shipping time star to more accurately reflect "processing time" rather than delivery time.
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Feb 26, 2008 1:02 PM
The new star system is anonymous so we have no way of telling who left "back feedback" in this new system. We have no way to know how to improve our rating since we do not know where the problem is.

It seems there are only two numbers that really matter 4 and 5. If I get a 4 it is the same as negative feedback and if I get a 5 it is the same as positive feedback. We get a RED BUYER BEWARE notice in our auction for a 4 rating.

So, how can this system work for a seller if a buyer leaves a GOOD comment and Ebay says it is BAD. That is exactly what Ebay tells us in the Chatter. A buyer who thinks they are being nice leaving a 4 is really giving us a BLACK MARK. How do we counter this injustice? A buyer says we are a good seller and ebay says we are in the lower 1% of sellers. I doubt if buyers realize this.


Here is a quote from the Ebay CHATTER which confirms Ebay's position on a 4:

This is because a 4.1 score is actually very low compared to other sellers.
We've seen the comments from members, and we realize this may seem counter-intuitive based on how the stars are represented when a buyer leaves feedback (e.g. Shipping time, 4 = “quickly”). However, it’s important to note this is a relative ranking. The overall goal is to reduce the number of bad buying experiences, the bulk of which are caused by sellers with the lowest DSRs.

I see sellers with free shipping and they have a 4.5 rating on shipping cost. I looked at 10 random auctions on "men's levis" and only 1 have a 4.9 shipping rating. Interesting.
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Feb 26, 2008 1:03 PM
Due to the confusion over the DSL Ratings, I have started listing the exact item weight and packaged weight in my description so buyers may calculate the postage independently. Also since the recent confusion, I now print the postage amount on the postal label. Is there any way to change the paypal postage default to automatically print the $ amount on the label?
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Member Workshop: How to Improve your Detailed Seller Ratings - Feb 26

Feb 26, 2008 1:03 PM
@lisasopinion -- post 4:

That's a great question. The best we think you can do is to do the best you can within the current system and that's what we're here to help with.

Re: communication, we recommend communicating as much as you can afford to with the seller to set expectations and really let the customer know where you're at in the process.

One great tool we've built to track DSRs you can find at DSRWatch, by the way.

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Feb 26, 2008 1:04 PM
@lisasopinion -- re: post 4

by the way I forgot to include DSRWatch's URL:

www.dsrwatch.com

We'll send you email alerts whenever your DSRs change.

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Feb 26, 2008 1:04 PM
Thanks, but you didn't answer my questions. Why is ebay telling the customer that a 4 is good and turning around and using a 4 rating against us????
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Feb 26, 2008 1:05 PM
Aloha Mr. Wingo

The DRS's are flawed. We can received the best advice there is to improve them, but since they are SUBJECTIVE, there is no way to actually control how they turn out.

Compare this to the Polynesian Voyaging Canoe HOKULEA. One can have the best star charts avaiable to guide them. They can have every map available on coral reefs, shipping lanes, and doldrums to avoid. However, with the unpredictableness of a clear sky and wind, there is no way for the canoe to get from Hawaii to Tahiti.

When you have subjective variables firgured into the equation, no matter how much good planning you do, you will be lost if you are not
able to control everything.

We are not able to control what someone else thinks is Satisfactor or
Extremely Satisfactory. THAT is the problem, not more workshops but the reworking and rewording of the DSR's.

We do not need to know any more ways to be better - we have known that for a decade.

I respectfully ask that you consider my remarks.
Mahalo.
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Feb 26, 2008 1:05 PM
Specifically, how can a seller win at this when ebay tells the buyer that a 4 is good, and they tell the seller that a 4 is bad?
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