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Last Post Aug 3, 2005 4:03 PM by: ryank@ebay.com
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Aug 2, 2005 1:11 PM
"Please tell me, how do I take pictures of objects like watches and rings, etc, in order that they appear to be floating in mid air?"

The best way is to shoot them on a plain white background. You can then cut away any extra shadows during photo editing.
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Aug 2, 2005 1:11 PM
Camerajim, thanks for confirmation about the watch(or whatever item I will be photoing) is under the milk jug. Catch you tomorrow. (4:00 PM Eastern?) Joci

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Aug 2, 2005 1:12 PM
clothing is another thing that baffles me sometimes....especially dark colored clothing. what is a good way to take pictures of these...to get detail and so it doesn't seem so dark?
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Aug 2, 2005 1:13 PM
I would like to know more about displaying clothes, rings belt buckles, bicycles and accessories.
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Aug 2, 2005 1:14 PM
I have a Sony Mavica FD73 and I can't find a "white balance" control. It has EV numbers; will that help take pics of white objects?
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Aug 2, 2005 1:20 PM
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Aug 3, 2005 2:54 PM
Welcome back everyone!

Sorry for the complications yesterday, but camerajim is back and ready to pick up where we left off. At his request I have deleted all of his original content, so that he can repost the most accurate information today.

Please give him a few moments to get some of his content up and please feel free to ask away!


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Aug 3, 2005 2:55 PM
Hi everyone and thanks for coming to the workshop.

Since yesterday's workshop was messed up by my technical difficulties, I"m going to start all over again, so pardon me if you may have seen some of this before.
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Aug 3, 2005 2:55 PM
In Part I of this workshop, I covered some basic approaches to taking photos for ebay auctions, including information on camera selection, camera controls you should know how to use, getting proper exposure and color balance, and information on lighting. I also demonstrated a few basic setups, using simple posterboard backgrounds and window light. Finally, I touched on a couple of tricks for shooting jewelry and other highly-reflective objects.

If you weren't here or haven't had a chance to read that workshop, it is still posted on this board. Here's the link...

Practical eBay Photography: Part I

Today, I'm going to start where I left off in Part I, with more on the "milk jug" technique, which is useful for shiny stuff like silverware and jewelry. After that, I'll get into some ideas for dealing with artwork, glassware and clothing.

I'll take questions in a while, but first I want to post the info I've prepared for today...
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Aug 3, 2005 2:55 PM
The high gloss of flatware can be very difficult to shoot. You want it to look shiny, but direct flash or other harsh lighting can make it look glaring and harsh. Here's a shot I took of a gold-plated fork, using just the direct flash on my camera, in fully automatic mode...




That's not very good, is it? The highlights are glaring, because the flash reflects straight back at the camera. At the same time, there are too many dark areas where the fork is reflecting just the dark room around it.

What this subject needs is controlled and diffused light.

And that's where a light tent comes in handy. A light tent is just a way to surround your subject with a translucent material, to diffuse and soften the light. You can find commercially-made light tents on ebay, but it's so easy to make your own. Like this...



That's nothing more than a milk jug, with the bottom cut off and the neck trimmed enough accept a camera lens.

Then, you evenly light the milk jug from the outside. A couple of simple clamp-on reflector lights will work fine, as would natural daylight. Here's the milk jug with two clamp lights...

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Aug 3, 2005 2:55 PM
Now, here's that same fork, shot in just such a plastic "light tent"...



Both the highlights and shadows are smoother and there is no significant glare.

I cheated a little there, by adding a small piece of black paper inside the jug. That way, there were a few dark reflections, which help to distinguish this as a glossy finish, rather than an overall gold, satin finish.

And here's a detailed close-up...



That's actually the same image, which I shot with my camera set for its maximum image size and then cropped just this area.

I also use a larger plastic bowl I bought at a dollar store for such work, because it can hold larger pieces, but you can use any white translucent material which will diffuse your lights.

You can also use the same milk jug or light tent technique for shooting most jewelry.

Jewelry can be beautiful, but it's also one of the most difficult subjects for photography. On one small item, you can have many different surfaces, such as smooth gold or silver, faceted gems and even textured engraving or filigree. These all reflect and refract light in different ways. And, since light is what we're capturing when we take a photo, how we light each item will control how the final image looks.

Here's a detail shot of a gold necklace I sold a while ago on eBay...



I don't know about you, but I like to experiment with different color backgrounds for jewelry. I thought the contrast with this fabric background really brought out the gold look.

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Aug 3, 2005 2:56 PM
Hi Camerajim! In regard to you milk jug technique, will the clear jugs work? Thanks, Victorian Teapot
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Aug 3, 2005 2:56 PM
And, I think this blue background worked well for this watch...



Watches also have special lighting needs, mainly because of the flat crystals, which can reflect light and obscure the face. In this case, I had to again carefully place a small spot of black paper inside my light tent, so that would be the area reflected by the crystal.

After I got this image onto my computer, I also sharpened it a bit, in order to bring out the fire and sparkle of the diamonds.
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Aug 3, 2005 2:56 PM
Framed artwork or other flat, shiny objects can also cause problems with reflections. For that, the cure is to make sure your lights only reflect away from the camera.

With your artwork flat on a table, the floor or a wall, you line up the camera so it is aimed exactly perpendicular to the surface of the piece. Then, you place one light on each side of the artwork, aimed at approximately a 45-degree angle to the surface. That way, any light striking the glass surface will bounce right back toward the other light, instead of at the camera.

Here's the setup...



Here, I'm using an actual photographic copy stand, with the camera supported on a central pole and two clamp lights aimed from either side. You could make the same sort of arrangement, with the camera on a tripod and the artwork on the floor or - shooting horizontally - on a wall.

The main thing is to keep the lights from shining on the camera and from reflecting back toward it. All other lights in the room should be off.
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Aug 3, 2005 2:57 PM
I took a shot of that artwork with the camera on full automatic exposure and got this result...



Because of the lighting arrangement, there aren't any serious reflections, but the matte was a light gray, which came out sort of yellowish. That's because I didn't set the camera's white balance control and, on full auto, it got things wrong.

For my next try, I preset the camera's white balance control to tungsten, to match the type of lights I was using and got this result...



And that's pretty close to how that print looks hanging on a wall.

I would have liked slightly more even lighting, but in this case, I had placed the lights close to the artwork, so they would show up in the setup shot I posted above. In practice, you'd want to keep the lights far enough away to avoid any potential hot spots.
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