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Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 10:26 AM
As usual, we have no idea whether this is a test or a new search feature, or whether it will eventually roll out to all listings....

Article here:
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I was able to duplicate what AB was seeing simply by searching for one of the items in the screen shot: hello kitty pink flip flops

A couple of things to add to Ina's article:

1. Are we actually getting closer to a Shopping Cart? It would be very easy to add a "Place in Cart" button to this pop-up. (Notice that it makes it easy to add the item to your watch list as well.)

2. The pop-up I looked at included more information than the one Ina looked at....it included all the details from the item's Item Specific list as well. Once again, it is clear that IS is important, especially for commodity items.

3. The pop-up includes a "See More Like This" link.....if one clicks that, one is shown 25 "similar" items. Obviously, this list is pulled from a larger number of similar items, and similarity is determined by the search engine.

I haven't had time to really analyze this, but....just a thought....I have always maintained that eBay will only go to a zero or near zero listing fee if eBay feels it has sufficient control over search display to avoid a repeat of the SIC disaster. I wonder if this is a step in that direction. Note that you see only 25 items (even if there are possibly many more) Note that they are in Best Match order and there is NO option to change search order , as there is when looking at the previous, larger search result set.

I believe I am still in the current SIC test, so I think I am seeing all items (including store)in the initial search results, and in these results.

Of course, if a buyer doesn't find what they want in the list of 25, they can always return to the full search.
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>I haven't had time to really analyze this, but....just a thought....I have always maintained that eBay will only go to a zero or near zero listing fee if eBay feels it has sufficient control over search display to avoid a repeat of the SIC disaster.<<<

Judging by the comments left on that article, IT's going over like a turd in a punch bowl. 16 comments - zero positives.

Also, I think Marty is still patiently waiting for why you believe SIC - having store listings at the end of all core items ~actually visible~ was such a disaster. Ide:) kinda like to know too. Because Ebay ~check the Q numbers~ and a large majority of the sellers showed way TOO much profit during the SIC time frame? Or, because Ebay didn't sufficiently monetize SIC and that IS the real reason they pulled IT?
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 11:00 AM
>>>because Ebay didn't sufficiently monetize SIC and that IS the real reason they pulled IT?

Actually a better question might be'

We all know that hard-to-find Unique items listed in STORE format always returned in the COREs SE everyday all the time 24/7 365.

Plus those unique / hard to aquire Keywords in the form of store item format return high in GOOGLE Yahoo & other SEs outside of eBay & go directly to eBay store listings

So a better question might be--why havent more eBay STORE owners listed more hard to find / unique / in-demand items that will return high not only everyday in eBays CORE SE, but also all over the entire web

That seems to be the real issue isnt it? Too many poorly priced slow mooving items in eBay stores, that didnt perform well in store format are now being dumped into the CORE.

If more eBay store owners monetized with in-demand items, im sure eBay would promote them more--Instead of spending money on testing those slow mooving poorly priced items in the core & risking buyer apathy
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 11:56 AM
I don't like the quick look very much -- it really doesn't add anything. All the info of the quick look can be had right in the SR page through customization.

The definite problem with the quick look is: it's not a mouseover. Also, I hope it is not replacing the Enlarge photo feature which I love.
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 12:03 PM
I could duplicate it with a search for: hello kitty flip flops

But, when I clicked see similar I got 200 results not 25.
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 12:13 PM
texas,

Thanks for that bit of info! I just checked....my default for items per page in SR was set at 25.......when I changed it to 200, I also get 200 in the Similar results....so apparently the limit is based on what your default listing per page is set at.

Very interesting.

My initial search result showed 98 items for the search term hello kitty flip flops, but when I use Similar I get a total of 200 items....the search engine adds some items that would normally only be found with a broader search term.
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 12:36 PM
An additional note: I haven't done an exhaustive review of this, but it appears the reason some Hello Kitty flip flops in the search results have this feature and others don't is because those with it are in the Clothing category...the others are in the Collectibles category.

So, if this is a test, perhaps it is currently confined to clothing items?

What are the other categories that permit multiple variations in listings? Maybe that's the criteria?

I suppose if we wait a few days, ebay will eventually provide an Announcement about this. Or did I miss the Announcement while eBay was fiddling with the New Announcement Board?
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 12:47 PM
Here is where I see the objection to much of this stuff

Everyone pays a listing fee except those who wield enough weight to deal --

The advertising listers pay for an advertisement for inventory that they own

eBAY then skews the aisles -- and appear intent on doing so to an ever increasing degree

EVERY retailer skews the aisles for some purpose that "betters" their business

HOWEVER --- As a retailer I own my inventory -- My landlord does not choose where it is displayed -- My advertising media does not leave my flyer out of certain zip codes that they choose. In each case I get what I pay for -- 100% coverage with my flyer or display add -- 100% airtime with my radio ad -- and use of my square footage as I choose in the store

I detest law suits -- i think we are far to zealous as a society in litigating things -- BUT -- I honestly believe that eBAY is beginning to skirt very close to legal boundaries as they continually edge closer and closer to taking full control of inventory that is on the site

EVERYONE who reads my posts realizes I think that I firmly believe that it is eBAY's ballpark and that they set the rules within --- HOWEVER they are subject to the rules set by Society as a whole.

Perhaps they are finally overreaching their authority --

I am familiar with one very large Titanium Seller who has arranged an appointment through his State Rep with the AG office to discuss eBAY

I have provided him with screen shots and a link to the AB stuff.

Perhaps the dam is getting close to leaking

Carl
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 1:31 PM
As much as I've been harping lately about the vast amount of counterfeit goods there is on this site, it's kinda ironic that Hello Kitty flip flops was the example Ina chose to use when illustrating the quick-look feature. At least 90 percent of all the 200 Hello Kitty flips flop listings violate Trademark laws, and are be listed by a couple of sellers from China and Hong Kong. These same sellers are also peddling other fake trademark logo flip flops of such registered trademarks like : Snoopy, Minnie Mouse, Winnie the Pooh, Digimon, and Pucca.
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 1:36 PM
Carl,

I have to run, but what you are saying goes back to what I was saying back in 2006....and it is even more true now....eBay is a Marketplace Site competing in what has become a Retail Site world.

In order to compete, a site needs to be able to display inventory in a way that will generate the most sales for the site.

A retailer can do that because a retailer has total control over its inventory. Amazon can do it with third party inventory because Amazon basically exerts near total control over that....but, of course, Amazon does not charge a listing fee.

The problem is not that ebay management does not know how to think like a retailer....the problem is that eBay is NOT a retailer, yet eBay needs to find a way to function more like a retailer while remaining a Marketplace.
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 2:11 PM
they continually edge closer and closer to taking full control of inventory that is on the site

This a direction it has appeared they were going for awhile.
Cant advertise taking checks or money orders.
the big push for free frt.
manipulation on search with the dsrs and such.
their claim the the buyers here are their customers.
matter of time that they try to control the inventory!!!!
but seeing as how i pay for my inventory and not ebay, wont
happen with me. i pay the fvf's and listing fee's and store costs
to show my inventory here, thats it. i control my business not ebay.



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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 2:35 PM
The problem is not that ebay management does not know how to think like a retailer....the problem is that eBay is NOT a retailer, yet eBay needs to find a way to function more like a retailer while remaining a Marketplace

*Nominated for BEST STORES BOARD QUOTE OF THE YEAR


eBay cannot function better in the Midstream Internet Marketplace untill more sellers here become true retailers...afterall doesnt retailer denote catering to the end user?

Thats the Sellers Job

eBay is not at this time selling directly to the end-user--All they can do is provide "Best Practices" info & nudge sellers into being sucessful in the Brave New World Economy.
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 2:36 PM
Carl,

I have to run, but what you are saying goes back to what I was saying back in 2006....and it is even more true now....eBay is a Marketplace Site competing in what has become a Retail Site world.

In order to compete, a site needs to be able to display inventory in a way that will generate the most sales for the site.

A retailer can do that because a retailer has total control over its inventory. Amazon can do it with third party inventory because Amazon basically exerts near total control over that....but, of course, Amazon does not charge a listing fee.

The problem is not that ebay management does not know how to think like a retailer....the problem is that eBay is NOT a retailer, yet eBay needs to find a way to function more like a retailer while remaining a Marketplace.


IPT --

I understand that -- The question might become one of form -- As I pointed out long ago -- they are NOT a retailer -- The question may become from a trade stand point -- At what point have they exceeded their authority to manage their site and reached a point that they MIGHT be successfully accused of restraint of trade.

Again -- I understand what eBAY is attempting to do -- the question MAY become whether they have a legal right to charge equally while at the same time actively discriminating against some.

i have some very minor understanding of trade laws from my previous job -- Not enough to form opinions of any substance -- BUT -- My feeling is that they are probably very close to the line.

The Diamond contracts are "exempt" because they are contractual and "open" to anyone who qualifies. Much like quantity price breaks in the supply business -- A supplier can NOT discount to one retailer UNLESS that discount is available under the same conditions to all -- that makes the Diamond scaling legal --

In short -- Understanding the WHY of what eBAY is attempting to accomplish does not make it legal --

At any rate --- It does have the AG's ear at this point and he is not only a Political Animal he is reknowned for tackling very large Gorillas and costing them Gorilla size bunches of bananas.

Carl
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 2:51 PM
>>>HOWEVER they are subject to the rules set by Society as a whole..

Of course--The "rules of Society" set forth by whats "best for the whole"

Well--Do a GOOGLE search for > eBay & Global Warming.
eBay is BAD for Mamma Earth eBay "causes" Global Warming ( According to GOOGLE search results )

So after that what is more important?

Plus what about eBay efforts to curtail spamming its users from Sub~Sahara scam artists--Certainly eBays increased efforts against scams originating in the Sub~Sahara has [hurt/b] those scammers too.

Maybe your friend can get a class-action suit for 30Trillion Dollars against eBay for harming Mamma-Earth & putting too many Sub~Sahara scammers on U.S. Govt taxpayers subsidy who used to make a Great Living on eBay

Of course any Lawsuits that eBay fights-Wins or doesnt Win is always paid by SELLER fees anyways- and Mamma Earth Still is the real Loooooozer
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Re: Another Search Change/Test? eBay Quick Look

Oct 28, 2009 3:02 PM
OTOH I think i understand your premise Carl.

That Central-Planners cant plan ones sucess unless they have complete control
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